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Shouldn't we all get a chance to see the video clip? And judge it ourself? I certainly would like to do that. If Syed Hamid and his Hardtalk interview can get onto Youtube surely so can this new revelation! So let's have it up there AI - and soon, please. And then we will comment.

Manjeet Singh Dhillon

What an explosive expose! My long-time friend, the late M.G.G. Pillai, now stands vindicated against the likes of such schemers. It is a great pity that his untimely demise robbed him of knowing what really happened. I am sure where he is now, he will amply rewarded.

The implications of such "fixing" by these schemers are very bad, very adverse and very disastrous for our country. The judiciary after the 1988 sacking of Tun Salleh Abas was ostensibly on the mend for a while until these guys returned to the stage.

Fellow learned friends, if you have tears, shed them for the country now ... And then let us do something for the country and all its people, irrespective of who they are! We celebrate human lives.

Yes, like the "great" V.K. Lingam, all the best to your family as well. Unlike him, our greetings come with Divine blessings. We do not go around "fixing" people like Wee Choo Keong, Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim and all that. We adore and respect life, every life. We do not go around "fixing" election appeals as well.

Stephen Tan Ban Cheng

Ma'syaallah.

To be discussing things like this among fellow lawyers is one thing. To have heard and seen is another all together.

This Is Ramadhan, a holy month for Muslims. If what is being "alleged" and being seen by us now is true, take the honourable path. Come clean. Seek forgiveness. If the allegation is true, you have failed and have breached the 'amanah" mandated to you. Step down. Be remorseful. The Bar may and will condemn. So will the people. But the Almighty is merciful. It is only His forgiveness you need to seek.

Do us all a favour, Tun. As we preach, so we must do.Benefit of the doubt will be given. You must explain. And take the honourable path..if it is true. God, and the man in the mirror will always be watching. One can never hide from both.

Edward Andrew @ Muhammad Adam

Interesting conversation. It's the time for Bar Council to look into this matter seriously.

Kunasegaran a/l Nadasen

Kuna

I say this without fear or favour. They can come and get me. I don't care. I am already an old man of 57.

Let the Malaysian Bar hold an EGM and pass a resolution for the immediate arrest of these conspirators against the interests of this country.

So many people have suffered, including my friend, MGG Pillai, Wee Choo Keong and others who we may not know.

Stephen Tan Ban Cheng

What has our Nation come to? 50 years, and this is what we have to show for it.

The Bar must investigate, without fear or favour.

Kerry Sin Yoong Ming

I must give the video clip a big big applause, clear image with loud voice, really a wonderful job. The only pity is that it should have been posted even earlier.

In light of this video clip, will the Parliament still remain silent with closed eyes on the issue of judges appointment? will the Judiciary or rather the CJ stand firmly to deny that that was him on the phone with the lawyer? will the Bar start another polling to see if an EGM should be held on this issue (although nothing might happen eventually)?

After watching that clip for twice, my choice of the best line is this: "We want to make sure our friends are there for the sake of the PM & for the sake of the country, not about our own interest. We want to make sure the country comes out well."

I think we Malaysians should be rated as one the happiest people in the world since we have regular BIG jokes to make us laugh...

Shim Wai Loon

I am totally disheartened to note the state of affairs in our Nation after 50 years of Merdeka. Let us hope and pray that this serious allegation will not be swept under the carpet but instead be thoroughly investigated and any wrong-doers be brought to justice. I trust that the Bar Council will take the necessary action in this regard.

Lim Jit Kiong

Anwar waited just before the elections to release this whopper. I wonder what other videos he has, and if so, whether he plans to release them in instalments leading up to the elections? The Bar has its work cut out for it.

Rishwant Singh

Let's wait for CJ's explanation. But I expect CJ to deny everything!

Lim Sey Wee

What I am now thinking of is The Sun which is largely owned by Tan Sri Vincent Tan together with former Phileo Allied Bank owner Tong Kooi Ong.

I have no doubt that the senior editors of The Sun will discharge their jobs in the light of these revelations.

What I am afraid is whether there will be "arahan dari atas" (ADA or orders from above) to tell them to play down the story. I hope sanity and even wisdom will prevail to ensure that the pre-eminent position of The Sun is not compromised by any ADA.

So far as my contacts tell me, no such A.D.A. has been given. Let us hope the "happy" situation continues. And let it continue to expose all the cases, if any, that have been "arranged".

My initial fear is based on the fact that the last time a judgment was made against V.K. Lingam in his suit against a newspaper in Europe, The Sun did not breathe a word. Was that to protect not only V.K. Lingam but even his friend, Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamed?

Stephen Tan Ban Cheng

I salute the person who taped the conversation. I salute him/her more for having the courage to spill the beans in the open.

What would the perpetrator's reaction be? The answer would perhaps be that they were rehearsing for an Instant Theatre Comedy sketch!

At the other end of the line....perhaps 'Saya tak tahu apa-apa'...

And from the executive....'kita akan tubuhkan satu jawatankuasa penyiasat'...and perhaps followed by...'tidak ada apa-apa kes dan file ditutup'.

I don't know what else to say....it seems everything in this country can be compromised... I'm crying for my children and the future that awaits them!

Abdul Fareed Bin Abdul Gafoor

Now we have a clear video clip, complete phone conversation (with its transcript) & well-analysis on the relationship of those names mentioned. All these might be circumstantial, but their combined strength is strong enough to pull the CJ down from the bench. He should be suspended immediately and to face a tribunal without any delay. Of course, no superior judges should sit in this tribunal because based on the said conversation, many of his brother & sister colleagues could have been appointed due to the RIGHT camp they chose.

Shim Wai Loon

Nothing surprises me anymore. Anything is possible in Malaysia.

Whether or not the conversation is proven to have actually taken place, the manner in which judges are appointed and promoted should be seriously reviewed.

The present practise seems to place too much power in the hands of the CJ. The CJ on the other hand has been reported as having said that such matters are protected by OSA. That virtually leaves no room for public scrutiny.

Recent events seem to suggest that the present PM had wholly delegated this matter of appointment and promotions of judges to the CJ.

If not surely he (the PM) would have realised that the most senior Federal Court judge (who also happens to be from his home state) was being bypassed for the position of PCA (ie the No. 2 spot).

But for the Conference of Rulers intervention, the recently appointed PCA and CJM (who are the most senior Federal Court judges) would most probably have been bypassed (without any valid grounds) in favour of more junior judges.

The present practise as to how appointments and promotions are made is clouded in secrecy. This matter is fortified by the CJ's own statement that such matters are protected by the OSA. In contrast, in the US appointments to the Supreme Court are publicly debated.

There should be an objective test in place. Appointments should be based on merit and promotions on seniority and merit.

The present practise of bypassing senior judges in favour of junior judges has become the norm and is very unhealthy.

Whilst we can't change the past something has to be done to restore confidence in the judiciary.The rot has to stop or else we might as well hang our robes and start selling char keow teow!

Dominic Pillai a/l R.K. Pillai

Tsk tsk tsk. Isn't this video seditious? So whose citizenship shall the government revoke now? Will there be any 'apologies accepted but the due course of the law must run' statements from our ODA (Orang-orang Di Atas)?

Low Thian Eng

It's too funny to be true...hang on a minute.but hasn't this been happening all the time........This is not a democratic country. Where is the rule of law, and separation of powers??????

I wonder whether we can revert some powers back to the monarchy...

I really don't have faith in the government of the day to be exercise their powers...This is a real joke.

Time for a revamp, 'enough of leap frogging', we need to get the fundamentals right...

humbly

Vicknaraj Thanarajah

Malaysian 'common' law?

Teo Siew Chin

It is clear that the judiciary has now lost almost all moral authority over judicial decisions. This is what happens when our institutions become mere tools of political patronage for the power elite. For our part, we must seek out all these lawyers and expel them from our profession.

Fahri Azzat

Isn't this what happens everyday in every government department, police or JPJ offices in Malaysia? Maybe this is the what the CJ truly meant by changing the common law system of the country to a system that truly reflects the "common" law of the country.

It is time we lawyers who believe in the rule of law to stand up to the corruption that is rotting the very foundations of this nation. May i suggest that we send a petition to H.R.H The Yang Di Pertuan Agong to initiate formal investigations if it is possible. We should also requisition an EGM of the bar to discuss this matter urgently.

I cant help but wonder if the allegations are found to be true what happens to the decisions that had been handed down in the past? What happens to the Lina Joy's case for example?

This is definitely a time to cry for the nation. She is bleeding and is in critical condition. Question is what are we going to do and how are we going to do it?

Visvanathan Murugiah

As per Bob Dylan:

"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

Mohd Sarisffuddin

Twenty years after the cruel eclipse of Tun Salleh Abas as the Lord President, Malaysia is still bogged down by the severe blow to this potentially great country, giving credence to the view then stated by former Lord President and judicial icon Tun Suffian, since departed, that it would take at least 30 years to restore the judiciary in its rightful place.

Prior to that public emasculation of the Malaysian judiciary precipitated by the desperation of the powers-that-be at that time, Malaysians used to have a judiciary that was one of its crown jewels, one that was so systemically embedded to play its meaningful role of attracting direct foreign investment in the country's efforts to diversify away from its then twin economic pillars of rubber and tin.

The judicial humiliation occurred on Aug 8, 1988, more than 30 years after the country attained Merdeka. It also saw the country later adopting an almost parallel system in civil law, with the sprouting of the Syariah Court system.

Today, what is on the lips of most people in the legal and judicial fraternity is whether the descent of the judiciary has gone deep enough. Or, God forbid, will it evr good deeper, especially when it is clear from the tapes that the fraternity within the judiciary is ever so fragile?

Stephen Tan Ban Cheng

There you go again. Scandal after scandal, controversies after controversies. Again the judiciary. First it was UNWRITTEN JUDGEMENTS and now THEIR APPOINTMENTS. Another scandal. Too many scandals make Malaysia a sad place to live in. Do I have faith in our institutions? Or these institutions may be bought?

Damian Yeo Shen Li

1. Although We have to thank Anwar for releasing this video, I wonder why he had chosen to release it at this stage and not before. So many cases have been decided and people affected and now only he chose to release the video. How scheming.

2. Judges are our last bastion of hope in dispensing justice because justice is what the ordering of society is centered. When the judges themselves have no order, who else do we hope for. The PM seemed to be only saying I'm disappointed and nothing else. How 'encouraging'.

Noreen Ahmad Ariff

Dear Friends, the country has prided itself with new buildings like the new Court Building. However, what seems to be apparent is that new buildings may be carrying old dirt.

Let's get rid of the dirt. Lawyers should not attend Court cases as a sign of protest. The Bar Council should be at the forefront of this. How about it?

Vijaya Kumar Raj a/l K. Durairaj

I wonder how Islamic Law will treat the perpetrators if the contents of the video are proven to be true. Thanks CJ for the suggestion.

Vijaya Kumar Raj a/l K. Durairaj

“Half the time talks about judiciary…so otherwise my work would be useless…”

My work is to ensure that you are the boss.

Joke:

A Man entered a pet shop, wanting to buy a monkey. The shop owner pointed out three identical monkeys and said, "The monkey to the left costs 500 dollars."

"Why does that monkey cost so much?" the man wondered.

The owner replied, "Well, it knows how to use a computer."

The man asked about the next monkey on the perch.
"That one costs 1,000 dollars because it can do everything the other monkey can do, plus it knows how to use the LINUX operating system."

Naturally, the startled customer asked about the third monkey. "That one costs 2,000 "

"And what does that one do?" the man asked.

The owner replied, "To be honest, I've never seen him doing anything, but the other two call him boss!"

The joke is likely an adaptation of this fiasco!

We have heard of this line; In the light of promotions in Government departments: “If you do not have cables and connections, you tak dapatlah”

“Half the time talks about judiciary…so otherwise my work would be useless…” So the most expensive monkey in the joke only needs to know how to pull the puppet strings of the other two monkeys. That is how to be the boss. The first two monkeys will get absolute protection – not protection for whistle blowers but protection under OSA and who decides? The boss! The line of complaint to this department, if any, is vide the first and second monkey … so the best answer to give in a fix would be … I leave it to God – and God is the boss!

I have listened to the CJ “Fixing” of the Judiciary about 5 times. And I have read the many realistic and sad comments by concerned members of the Malaysian Bar. I have also read the newspaper comments by the PM and the AG. Yet, I believe the Minister, Nazri is correct: “Has an aggrieved person as known, made a formal complaint yet?”

Always remember that those who are commenting in this website, me included, do not the locus standi (Lim Kit Siang v Govt of Malaysia). Just hot air only! Maybe only the Bar Council qualifies!

The Bar Council was hotly going for an EGM on the ‘Common Law” issue. It eventually decided not to proceed citing that it may not be necessary as the Government does not intend to implement I am of the opinion that is wrong because there must be a resolution on record.

Never mind, maybe some expenses have been saved there!

Please call for an EGM to make a resolution condemning the actor who portrays himself as a member of the bar – and referred to as VK Lingam who “Half the time talks about judiciary…as otherwise his work would be useless…”to account for the breach of Section 94 inter alia ”of grave impropriety” including Section 94(o) of the Legal Profession Act 1976 During this EGM suggest add the ‘Common Law’ Agenda issue and adopt the resolution as then propounded in the Press Statement by the Ambiga Sreenevasan President, Malaysian Bar on 22 August 2007.

As for call by Amer Hamzah Arshad Friday, 21 September 2007, 01:28pm, allow me to suggest that a drastic action calling for physical outburst and exposure of probable harm to members of the bar – to demonstrate – must be treaded slowly and carefully. The suggested impulse may not necessary be correct (as in the video’s many Ahs, correct, correct, correct correct, okay okay …) at this juncture. Let the executive decide on the proper course of action first. Allow resolutions are to be adopted by the Bar Council. That parchment of resolution would be what the representative of the Bar Council and members of the bar need to carry to pass over to the appropriate authorities.

Lawrence Teh