SRO lawyer vs Discount lawyer - 2005/06/23 13:01 Dalam arena conveyancing percaya atau tidak tanpa kita sedari terdapatnya persaingan di antara “SRO lawyer” dan “Discount lawyer” walaupun pada hakikatnya setiap peguam telah diminta mempamerkan “No-Discount Rule” di firma masing-masing. Kebenarannya dapat saya lihat apabila ada anakguam yang dtg dan mengaku bhw peguam lain boleh memberi discount sehingga 40%. Jadi adalah sukar untuk menerangkan peraturan ini kepada anakguam jika ada peguam lain yg sukar sekali utk mematuhi peruntukan tersebut. Sebagai seorang “budak baru” sudah tentu saya mengikuti secara ketat peraturan tersebut dan akibatnya byk peluang yang hilang. Tetapi ianya bukanlah masalah kepada firma kami kerana anakguam itu berlalu keluar dengan membawa maruah kami sebagai peguam yang ada nilai profesional dan bukannya nilai peguam yang maruah profesionalnya boleh didagangkan..._________________ LiFe Is JuSt A ShOrT JoUrNeY....
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Hakimi bin Abdul Jabar
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Re:SRO lawyer vs Discount lawyer - 2005/06/24 04:22Cik Dara, u do get around!
I agree wholeheartedly with your conclusion and find that in many a case, we should be prudent and strict to ensure that our professional dignity remains intact.
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Ray Chong Sai Oe
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Re:SRO lawyer vs Discount lawyer - 2005/06/25 07:39Itu lah masaalah yg kita hadapi , samaada nak ikut "law" atau tidak . Kalau tak ikut "law' ,ADANYA REZEKI. Kalau sebaleknya, mampus lah kita. Jadi macam mana delemma tu nak "di konsilete " ? Pada hakikat saya , I tak ada apa -apa boleh buat . Siapa pelanggan in his/ her right mind , tak nak harga yg murah atas service yg sama, assuming servis adalah sama ? Kesimpulan nya , pada I , ialah sukar /atau ENFORCEMENT OF sro IBARAT akademik SAHAJA . tak habis -habis nya . Mungkin lebeh sesuai biar ia jadi free enterprise system , after all Tak ada check & balance dalam sistem kami kini . Tapi , adek , jagan kecewa , hidup senang susah , kita maseh bertua daripada orang lain yg kurang maruah atau tak ada maruah atau dignity langsung . Malah lah majoriti itu langsung tak masuk atau tak tahu pakai web site ni untung berbincang kerana , mereka yg patut di discipline itu ,dah tak ada suara lagi . Ahamdulilah .CHONG SAI OE
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Leong Hong Kae
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Re:SRO lawyer vs Discount lawyer - 2008/04/27 12:58Do you think that are we still not giving discount or are we still giving huge discount of the SRO fees ?
I think we should post this question to the office beare of the Bar Council:
What is the point of having the SRO and the non discount rule but no enforcement?
Are they practicing the "open one eye and close one eye policy"
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Louis Edward Van Buerle
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Re:SRO lawyer vs Discount lawyer - 2008/04/27 17:39As most solicitors know, I’m in favor of fees being determined by market forces. It is up to the clients to choose, like we have choices when we choose which health establishment and in which country we want to be treated. Market forces will finally determine who survives without artificial rules to ensure that those who are inefficient are also paid the same fees. It is just like our car industry which enjoyed government protection. It can’t compete in a competitive world and hence is subsidized by tax payers’ monies. All of us are familiar with running down cases. Our rules do not allow contingency fees but many have started and ended their careers doing accident cases based on contingency fees. So why are solicitors treated differently? They had to sign statutory declarations that they do not give discounts. What about litigation lawyers? Why not all lawyers declare that they practice in conformity with our rules! It is not an ideal world. It is not practical to implement such rules without abuse or appear to be selective in enforcement. To avoid the possibility of abuse, we should revert to our former practice of taking action based on written complaint. Current practice of encouraging lawyers to squeal on each other is unhealthy. To avoid making lawyers hypocrites it is best to allow market forces to determine fees, i.e fees fixed by lawyers themselves and clients choose which lawyer they wish to engage based on the fees offered.. There are always minimum costs. Anyone who chooses to break his back and make marginal returns is welcome to do so .He will not last! I appeal to solicitors to do something about the situation. You should be attending meetings and let your voice to be heard!
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Nicole Tan Lee Koon
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SRO lawyer vs Discount lawyer - 2008/04/29 13:05I am always for free enterprise. However, dealing clients like ours, we need a certain base fees. Therefore, allow the solicitors the liberty of charging their fees with a range like the Malaysian Medical Association. For e.g., for consultation the doctors may charge up to RM60-00 per session. Likewise, the solicitor would need to use his good discretion to ensure that his profession is not compromised in any way. I agree with Van Buerle. The no-discount rule should be applied to litigation lawyers as well if the Bar Council really wants to enforce it strictly. The best would be a middle path approach so that we would not end up like Singapore where conveyancing solicitors ended up as taxi drivers !!
We have to look beyond "No-Discount" or free enterprise. We have to respect each other. Which profession wants a Bar Council who witch-hunts? If there is a complaint (not anonymous) and must be backed with evidence that such and such lawyer is really undercutting another lawyer, then there should be an investigation against the lawyer. If found guilty then action should be taken against that lawyer.
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Hasrinaliza Bt Abdul hamid
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Re:SRO lawyer vs Discount lawyer - 2008/06/12 12:16We should talk about Sro only when there is a clear and real control of the enforcements.Big firms have big client and "big files" and big litigation files where they can charge up to hundreds of thousands so they can actually afford to say NO ALL THE TIME to "small conveyancing files" (by the way do they really do that ?...well you know the answer..).
We can say no to purchasers or borrowers, can somebody in the Bar Council tell this to the Banks and the Developers? If so, can the Bar Council control all the banks and their branches and the Developers who are using "free legal fees" as a marketing tool?.
How good is the enforcement when you cannot enforce it on others?We would end up punishing ourselves.With all the price hikes in everything , we should consider increasing our rate while the people out there are using the same reason to ask for discounts.
The truth is out there...
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Dalam arena conveyancing percaya atau tidak tanpa kita sedari terdapatnya persaingan di antara “SRO lawyer” dan “Discount lawyer” walaupun pada hakikatnya setiap peguam telah diminta mempamerkan “No-Discount Rule” di firma masing-masing. Kebenarannya dapat saya lihat apabila ada anakguam yang dtg dan mengaku bhw peguam lain boleh memberi discount sehingga 40%. Jadi adalah sukar untuk menerangkan peraturan ini kepada anakguam jika ada peguam lain yg sukar sekali utk mematuhi peruntukan tersebut. Sebagai seorang “budak baru” sudah tentu saya mengikuti secara ketat peraturan tersebut dan akibatnya byk peluang yang hilang. Tetapi ianya bukanlah masalah kepada firma kami kerana anakguam itu berlalu keluar dengan membawa maruah kami sebagai peguam yang ada nilai profesional dan bukannya nilai peguam yang maruah profesionalnya boleh didagangkan...
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