Stephen Tan Ban Cheng
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Re:Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - 2008/11/18 23:46
Pray tell me what purpose is served by having yet another splinter group within the Malaysian Bar?
If it is intended as a response, let us think yet again whether or not we should buy into such a process and end up justifying the existence of such organisations.
Further, what kind of price must be paid in terms of time lost. Please think in terms of the dialectical nature of historical progression.
I would have thought that the batte, any battle, should be purely idea-based, not trainted by personality, race, or religion or any hybrid of the trio.
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Tan Peek Guat
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Re:Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - 2008/11/19 12:11
Hi Andrew,
In all groupings and 'associations', we must always remember that the 'self' is unimportant.
If the leaders are offering their services to be up there simply to place importance on their own self interests, then they are most unfit to represent the 'group' under the name of the grouping / 'association'.
It is the interests of the groups which the association represent that are important.
Do we have sufficient /any representation at all for our non-Muslim population?
Now, what has happened to the case of 'Subashini'? It pains our hearts to remember that she is still enduring her grievances while everyone has forgotten about her case. This is just one case; what about the other cases not published in the mass media? Are we to quietly endure all pains caused upon them; and then shout that the 'Lawyers are upholding Justice'?
If we do have a NON-MUSLIM LAWYERS' ASSOCIATION, then our leaders of such an association can always call for a discussion with the MUSLIM LAWYERS' ASSOCIATION so as to resolve issues related to the Islamic Religion and the proper / improper 'execution' of the rules pertaining thereof by the authorities concerned.
Towards the resolution of such problems that arise, it is then of utmost importance and urgency that we do have such an association. Everything else is EVASION of the real PROBLEMS!
Think of the difference, and see the real difference, if only Dato Ambiga can avail herself to be the President of the Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - when her term at the Bar Council expires next year!
Let us not deprive ourselves.
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Tan Peek Guat
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Re:Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - 2008/11/19 12:40
Hi Stephen,
"CARE" is the word; and in upholding that word, we need to share the concerns, and to spare time and effort so that all is well with the aggrieved ones - caused upon them on account of their family member's involvement with our national religion - Islam - without their prior information as to its 'contents', rules, etc.
Are we concerned about the sufferings that our non-Muslim population who have to endure with all forms of grievances and pains - but only after their involvement??????
It is for the resolution of their problems that we sincerely need an association to represent their interests, and therefore, the need for the formation of a NON-MUSLIM LAWYERS' ASSOCIATION.
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Tan Peek Guat
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Re:Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - 2008/11/20 22:48
Take notice that an amendment to the current Islamic law is being proposed : as the Syariah Judiciary Department Director-General Datuk Ibrahim Lembut had said on Thursday :.......that
"A Muslim divorcee can obtain the right for compulsory maintenance from her ex-husband's close family members such as father and siblings under a proposed law".
"Once the law is passed by Parliament, it would be adopted by the states through amendments at the state legislative assemblies", he said; "and men who had been served with a court order to pay maintenance but failed to do so could be jailed".
Does the above amendment not affect the position of the father and sibblings of a Muslim CONVERT who proceed to marry a Muslim woman against the family's wishes?
Being an adult as the Muslim CONVERT is, why should his father and sibblings who are non-Muslims be made to pay for the maintenance of his ex- Muslim spouse after their divorce?
We need an Association of Non-Muslim Lawyers to represent and defend the rights and privileges of the Non-Muslims in Malaysia.
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Mohamad Azrulsani Bin Othman
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Re:Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - 2008/11/21 14:01
Lo Ming wrote:
What about a "Non-Vegetarian Lawyers Association"? Or "Non-Benz Owner Lawyers Association"? Or "Non-Beer Drinker Lawyers Association"?
Aren't we all equal as brothers and sisters of the Bars?
Yes Bro!
Im much with you, 'Brotherhood of law'. Indeed, im happy to be in the bar, the only.
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Mohamad Azrulsani Bin Othman
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Re:Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - 2008/11/21 14:25
Tan Peek Guat wrote:
The fact remains that there is the MUSLIM LAWYERS' ASSOCIATION, and not the "Monkey's Lawyers' Association - as portrayed in the photo posted by Mohamad Azrulsani Bin Othman!
Therefore, we sincerely need an Association for the non-Muslim Lawyers as well - so as to fairly represent the UNITED VOICES OF THE NON-MUSLIMS OF MALAYSIA.
As for any other associations that can be thought about, those need to be initiated by the Lawyers interested in having those associations, and then, for those associations, if there are already existing in Malaysia, why not be their members? Afterall, there are also doctors, etc., etc., besides lawyers in those associations.
Tan Peek Guat
Much appreciation for your attention on my avatar, 
Yes i do agree with you, anyone interested to be in any associations may roll in as a member. But as i said earlier, i wonder if there are so much of these associations for us, will it be good for us, all of us, regardless of our religion?
If one is a mess, then it takes two to tango.
Well, If even Non-Muslim Lawyers Association exists, i will still consider all of our bar member regardless of race, religion as my fellow bothers & sisters.
Wishing you all the best, and hope to see you, my learned friend, as the President of the Malaysia Non-Muslim Lawyers Association.
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Tan Peek Guat
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Re:Non-Muslim Lawyers' Association - 2008/11/21 17:19
Thank you, brother at law, for your reply.
I hope to clarify this - that my concern and interest is not the question of whether I am to be a committee member of the Non-Muslims Lawyers' Association.
I opine that we do have many Non-Muslim Lawyers among us at the Malaysian Bar - who are experienced and who can discuss issues rationally.
These are the lawyers we need; and it will be good if they could volunteer to serve.
If they do, surely their voluntary services would eventually be very much appreciated by our 'helpless' and 'desperate' Non-Muslim citizens of Malaysia.
This 'helplessness' and 'desperation' is even more so when we consider that the issues involved might eventually affect our Non-Muslim citizens too.
So, it would be good and fair to them to first of all allow the issues to be explained to them - in order to avoid any future complications and grievances - in view of the uniqueness of the Muslim Laws, Rules and Regulations practised in Malaysia.
As for the forthcoming amendment regarding the compulsory payment of 'maintenance' to a divorced Muslim spouse - which would be introduced very soon - would the Non-Muslim father and sibblings of the Muslim convert "be jailed" if they do not agree to pay 'maintenance' to the divorced Muslim spouse of their son/brother?
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