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Zul Nordin resurfaces unrepentant PDF Print E-mail
Monday, 18 August 2008 09:42pm

Zul Nordin resurfaces unrepentant I am a Muslim first, declares Zulkifli
Zulkifli denies he was arrested after protest at Bar forum
Majlis Peguam anti-Islam - Zulkifli Noordin


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PARLIAMENT, Aug 18 - PKR MP Zulkifli Nordin today emerged from hiding – unrepentant and defiant over his role in the fracas at the Bar Council’s forum on conversion and Islam on August 9. Indeed, he was in a fighting mood and said that he was considering proposing a motion in Parliament to sanction the Bar Council for its anti-Islam stand.

The lawyer was at the forefront of protests by Muslim groups and was criticized even by his party officials for employing rough house tactics and rough language. Immediately after the forum was halted by the police, Zulkifli could not be contacted.

Today he was swamped by the press when Parliament reconvened.

"For me Islam comes first. I am a Muslim first, a party member second. A Muslim first, a lawyer second. A Muslim first, an MP second.

"You attack Islam, I'll be there, even if I have to do it on my own.

Whatever it is, Islam comes first," said Zulkifli, the MP for Kulim Bandar Baru.

Speaking to reporters at a press conference in the lobby, Zulkifli said that he did not barge into the forum but had been invited in by the council's secretary Lim Chee Wee to verify that the forum had ended.

"I went in to diffuse the situation and to confirm the forum had stopped. That was the purpose. I was invited up, otherwise how did I get in?

"I didn't kick the door and barge in, but the picture painted now is as if

I barged in and that is a total lie," he said.

Zulkifli said that there was a heated exchange of words between three representatives from Muslim NGOs that accompanied him and a few forum participants.

"When I was inside I did not say a word, I did not do anything. I am just disappointed when some participants of the forum started hurling rough language at the others with me (NGO representatives). They reacted but the situation was calmed by the police," he said.

He said that sensitive matters should be discussed behind closed doors with the relevant agencies.

"When you talk of sensitivities of others, do so behind closed doors and only invite those in authority. Don't invite any Tom, Dick or Harry. You can talk about Islam but you cannot talk for Islam.

"I don't call any mamak chendol or kacang putih seller to talk about Hinduism, do I? That would only look stupid. I would call the priest, the authority and then I can get a better picture on Hinduism.

"Just because some mosquito group of Muslims start talking about Islam, they represent Islam. I don't think that is fair.

"We have authorities, Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (Jakim), Yayasan Dakwah Islam Malaysia, IKIM, UIA ... we have a lot of authorities. Why invite those mosquitoes?

"We have to respect each other's rights. We Muslims have been tolerant enough all this while, for so many years we have been asked, forced to live under the law that is not Islam. We have been forced," he said.

Zulkifli also took issue with the Bar Council, saying that it was "anti-Islam" and had taken a position in court cases involving converts.

Also, he noted that the Bar Council had representatives on the Attorney-General’s committee on amendments to the Family Law, Child's Act.

He said that he may consider filing a motion in Parliament to sanction and reprimand the Bar Council for their "anti-Islam" stand.

Comments (12)Add Comment
'ATTACK'! MANA DIA?
written by Stephen Tan Ban Cheng, Monday, August 18 2008 11:51 pm

My dear Zul

Firstly, I do not know you, but I address you as a learned brother at law.

Secondly, how in the world did you construe the forum as an "attack on Islam"? In all candidness, I will be there with you, shoulder to shoulder, even if I have to use my walking stick, if there is any attack on any religion.

With respect, brother, please eschew from playing politics with religion, any religion. Politics and religion always make a heady mix. Look at one of the causes of World War II. Please, let us not go there.

As your leader said, "Anak Cina pun anak saya, Anak Melayu pun anak saya, anak India pun anak saya" or words to that effect. Therein lies the humanist.

Can I fall back on Confucius? Confucius says that "if we do not know what we can see, how much can we know of what we cannot see?"

Mind you, the Great Sage of China was not anti-religion. He was just being practical, emphasising our humanity. Of course, he went on to propound "Jen," which for want of a better word has been translated to humaneness. Ask any of your Chinese-educated friends, including Arif Shah or Amin Shah, and they will tell you that we - meaning you and I because I am English-educated all the way - lose the essence of this essetial Confucianist teaching.

Can I invite you to be introspective and search within yourself the answer to my question where the "attack" is, where the "offence" is.

Dear all

By the way, what's happening to Malaysian journalism? Take this quotation: "I went in to diffuse the situation and to confirm the forum had stopped. That was the purpose. I was invited up, otherwise how did I get in?"

Shouldn't the word "diffuse" be "defuse"?

Stephen Tan Ban Cheng

And he calls himself a lawyer?
written by Siti Zabedah Kasim, Tuesday, August 19 2008 09:50 am

This man really gets on my nerves!! He doesn't even know what he is talking about. If he wants to live under Syariah law, go to a country that has one then. Just like people as him who says to non-Muslims to go back to China and India, he should go and live amongst his brothers and sisters who look like him, dress like him and has the same believe as him.

I do believe the Bar Council should take disciplinary action against this man. He is slandering us, lawyers. Who does he thinks he is? Who are the mosquitoes? Who is discussing about Islam on that particular day?

His general demeanour seems more appropriate to someone in a cave in Afghanistan not the fair minded, multi racial society that Malaysia should be. When he talks about sensitivities, how can he ignore the vile racism directed towards his fellow Malaysians by his so call fellow Muslims NGO. Their behaviour when entering the auditorium show no respect to participants and acted like thugs.

Here is a man who claims to have great knowledge of religion, sadly he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong.

Siti Zabedah Kasim

I commend Zulkifli for his consistent stand.
written by Jason Kay Kit Leon, Tuesday, August 19 2008 11:02 am

Assuming The Malaysian Insider has reported accurately, of note to me are these 4 things:-

1. He mentioned that Chee Wee invited him to verify that the forum had ended and that "the picture painted now is as if I barged in and that is a total lie". Would Chee Wee care to comment?

2. Zulkifli was also quoted as saying, "When you talk of sensitivities of others, do so behind closed doors and only invite those in authority. Don't invite any Tom, Dick or Harry. You can talk about Islam but you cannot talk for Islam. I don't call any mamak chendol or kacang putih seller to talk about Hinduism, do I? That would only look stupid. I would call the priest, the authority and then I can get a better picture on Hinduism." I've noticed that in differing faiths/religion, there are differing view of how that faith is supposed to be lived/practiced (or even what that faith IS), and there would be many internal debates. The outcome of such debates are, to my mind, to ensure a consistency of belief amongst the faithful. However, how the normal (wo)man practices his/her beliefs may or may not gel consistently with the pronouncements of the heads/learned/priests of the particular faith. Would it not be wise for people (everyone) to sit down peacefully and let out concerns be known? I believe that was the purpose of the open forum - stemming from a inability of the past closed dialogues to come up with good solutions to some of the problems faced.

3. Zulkifli has also raised this particular concern, "We have to respect each other's rights. We Muslims have been tolerant enough all this while, for so many years we have been asked, forced to live under the law that is not Islam. We have been forced,". I was not physically present at the signing of the Constitution of Malaysia and the various statutes/subsidiary legislation/rules made thereunder. In that sense, I myself was FORCED to live under a law that I had no say in making. But I believe the solution to this problem would be to change the laws in the proper way. Zulkifli has taken the right step by becoming an MP, a member of the legislative body. He is now in a direct position to influence the new laws of this country and amend the present ones so that one day, he might be able to say that the laws he is obeying were not FORCED on him. I wish him well in his endeavour.

4. Zulkifli has also hinted at filing a motion in Parliament to sanction and reprimand the Bar. I urge him to do so. May I also suggest that he requisition an EGM of the Malaysian Bar to discuss his concerns? I would surely do my best to attend.

Jason Kay Kit Leon

Show us what you are really made off
written by Dipendra A/L Harshad Rai, Tuesday, August 19 2008 11:35 am

After reading the above, I now know why this man is so angry - he was not invited to be a speaker. So Council should be guided accordingly. Next time invite the man la....he just wants a platform.

Secondly, I wonder if he told his voters (and when he was getting called to the Bar) that he will be a Muslim first, MP and lawyer second. I doubt that he did so and as such I must deem him to be a liar!

Thirdly, I thought a representative from JAKIM has confirmed his attendance until the pressure of the forum got to him, necessitating a pull-out. Saudara Hanif Khatri was also present at the forum So, he should be careful who he labels as "mosquito". Maybe a dose of Ridsect may calm his nerves.

Finally, I am not sure what he means by living under the law that is not Islam. I can assume he means the Federal Constitution and that the FC is unislamic. So if he replaces it with a Constitution that is Shariah compliant, what would the punishment be for liars?

And I also trust that you will quit as a parliamentarian and never be seen at the High Courts of Malaya, simply because it's governed by rules and laws that are not Islamic. You cant be a hypocrite Zul. Be true to yourself!

So I suggest that Zulkifli proposes a bill in Parliament abolishing the Federation of Malaysia and replacing it with a Islamic Kingdom of Malaysia. No, seriously Zulkifli, go on, do it. Pointless talking all the time.

And while you are drafting this new bill, can you also enlighten us on what's the latest with the Kulim election petition? You know, the one where you have alleged to have failed to file proper accounts when you ran in Kuala Langat. Or have you done a deal with the devil to spare you?

Dipendra A/L Harshad Rai

True self shown.
written by Visvanathan Murugiah, Tuesday, August 19 2008 12:23 pm

Oh dear, it pains me to read Zul's position in this matter. Very sad!

"If we cannot love the person whom we can see, how can we love God whom we cannot see?" - Mother Teresa

Visvanathan Murugiah

DON'T MISUSE THE NAME OF RELIGION
written by Ding Chu Teck, Tuesday, August 19 2008 12:42 pm

Despicable acts done in the name of religion is no ground for its legitimization.

History has taught us that lots of evils were committed in the name of race or religion.

Let's therefore not condone such dangerous acts.

Ding Chu Teck

Who appointed you?
written by Razlan Hadri B Zulkifli, Tuesday, August 19 2008 12:48 pm

Saudara Zulkifli,

Who appointed you to speak for Muslims of this country? Who appointed you to defend Islam in this country? Who? Pontificating perfidious pleaders like you Saudara, are the bane of this country. Please do not use MY religion to justify your small minded, defensive, racist, incoherent position.

Razlan Hadri B Zulkifli

Are You Sure You Are A Muslim?
written by Ng Yong Kean, Tuesday, August 19 2008 02:52 pm

What is wrong in asking a lay person on his religious views as opposed to a religious leader? And what's with mamak chendol and kacang putih seller? Are you saying that they are not entitled to give their views on Hinduism or are you insinuating that they are lesser people?

By declaring yourself to be a Muslim and going on a path of name-calling, you have just shown to the world how shallow and racist you are! Is that what Islam really is? Name-calling, engaging in verbal abuse and quick to lose control and temper when "provoked"?

Thankfully, not all Muslims are like you though you seem to want to state that you are representing "real" Muslims, not of the mosquito-type.

Any other mosquitoes out there?

Ng Yong Kean

Talk with your mouth and not with your hands
written by Henry Teh Hock Guan, Tuesday, August 19 2008 03:45 pm

Even from primary schooldays, we heard this sentence before: "Talk with your mouth and not with your hands". It means one should argue with his brain to convince the other and not use physical violence. Those acted in a hostile manner are really from the dark ages. That is why this planet earth has so many religious terrorists and suicide bombers running around with that mentality.

Zulklifli, please don't insult the mamak cendol and the kacang putih seller. Not all of them are Hindus. For all you know, some of them may be knowledgable than the priests or lawyers. Even if we ask them to discuss about religion, it is fully alright as we can listen from the angle of the "man on the street". But we all know that you were being just sarcastic: you are equating the forum speakers as mosquitoes and hawkers. That is really an insult! Are you prepared to have a debate with them on Islam without putting any advance censorship on what can and cannot discuss on?

Imagine, if every person from different religious group would behave like you, there will be chaos. A fanatic atheist can be as fanatical theist like you, defending his belief. If you are such a defender of Islam, one can be a defender of atheism too. They may stop you from saying there is a God because they may think you are not an expert in the topic of existence of God (according to their standard of expertise). They may even say you are insulting their unbelief when you say there is a God. If they go on behave violently, this world will be chaotic.

As a lawyer, you should know ... we go to court using our oral and mental ability to convince the judge, not with our violent behaviour.

Zulkifli, if you have a school going children, remind them when they meet hostility in school: "Talk with your mouth and not with your hands".

Henry Teh Hock Guan

Mosquitoe and its sting
written by Soh Chin Hau, Tuesday, August 19 2008 06:37 pm

I have only 1 thing to say about this individual... don't disrespect mosquitoes as they can kill one with just a sting...

Soh Chin Hau

Who's the mosquito?
written by Lim Chong Leong, Tuesday, August 19 2008 06:56 pm

Dear Zul,

From what you have reportedly said, it appears you are the mosquito who knows nuts (or kacang putih) about your religion. And you are definitely smaller than the kacang putih and chendol sellers of the world for while they stand tall doing an honest day's work, you lie through your teeth and twist your words about the events of that day for political mileage.

Lim Chong Leong

Who's the Mosquito?
written by Tan Pean Khoon, Wednesday, August 20 2008 08:57 am

I think we should just ignore this mosquito and let the authority deal with him.

We have more urgent things to handle rather than this mosquito!

Tan Pean Khoon


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